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	<title>Comments on: SEO isn&#8217;t your salsa. (And everyone needs salsa.)</title>
	<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/</link>
	<description>Quit whispering, start yelling!</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-74</guid>
		<description>Hey Judd,

Wow, thanks for the compliments. At least someone in the world recognizes my genius. :)

Aaahh I see what you're saying. I've found it can be harder to work with clients who read one snippet somewhere about SEO and just.can't.let.it.go.

I'm helping as a subcontractor for a firm implementing some SEO copy at the moment, and witnessed this round and round discussion, which was a great example of this. One person there was totally hung up on the url that was going to be used...the kicker is that it was a url that was going to redirect to their main site anyway. So they were all hung on a page....that wouldn't have the content. So there was nothing on-site to support any kind of formidable ranking for the url. He had it lodged in his melon that the url was what it all balances on.

Which of course, doesn't explain the popularity of a site with a name like "squidoo." But, we weren't dealing with reality here.

Oy. Pain all around. 

Do you have a blog yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Judd,</p>
<p>Wow, thanks for the compliments. At least someone in the world recognizes my genius. <img src='http://voxfortis.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Aaahh I see what you&#8217;re saying. I&#8217;ve found it can be harder to work with clients who read one snippet somewhere about SEO and just.can&#8217;t.let.it.go.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m helping as a subcontractor for a firm implementing some SEO copy at the moment, and witnessed this round and round discussion, which was a great example of this. One person there was totally hung up on the url that was going to be used&#8230;the kicker is that it was a url that was going to redirect to their main site anyway. So they were all hung on a page&#8230;.that wouldn&#8217;t have the content. So there was nothing on-site to support any kind of formidable ranking for the url. He had it lodged in his melon that the url was what it all balances on.</p>
<p>Which of course, doesn&#8217;t explain the popularity of a site with a name like &#8220;squidoo.&#8221; But, we weren&#8217;t dealing with reality here.</p>
<p>Oy. Pain all around. </p>
<p>Do you have a blog yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Judd</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-73</guid>
		<description>I have only recently discovered this site and will now surely be lurking about.

Susan, forgive me if I was unclear earlier, but I have started my own company, the "folks paying me" that I was referring to are my clients.  They can be an incredibly short-sighted bunch, and unless I bundle my consulting in or do it for free, they just don't see the need to pay me to tell them that a particular part of their site sucks and a #3 spot isn't going to change that.

Then I start talking "conversion rates" and their eyes just gloss over.  Like I said though, I'm workin' on 'em.  For now, they're paying my bills.

After I commented last time, I cruised the rest of your site (and more of your stuff on other sites) and you've got some good things to say.  I don't know how to say it without sounding like I'm gushing all over you (which I may be...) but I dig your style, you rock.

\gush</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only recently discovered this site and will now surely be lurking about.</p>
<p>Susan, forgive me if I was unclear earlier, but I have started my own company, the &#8220;folks paying me&#8221; that I was referring to are my clients.  They can be an incredibly short-sighted bunch, and unless I bundle my consulting in or do it for free, they just don&#8217;t see the need to pay me to tell them that a particular part of their site sucks and a #3 spot isn&#8217;t going to change that.</p>
<p>Then I start talking &#8220;conversion rates&#8221; and their eyes just gloss over.  Like I said though, I&#8217;m workin&#8217; on &#8216;em.  For now, they&#8217;re paying my bills.</p>
<p>After I commented last time, I cruised the rest of your site (and more of your stuff on other sites) and you&#8217;ve got some good things to say.  I don&#8217;t know how to say it without sounding like I&#8217;m gushing all over you (which I may be&#8230;) but I dig your style, you rock.</p>
<p>\gush</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-72</guid>
		<description>Susan - I am always haunting these parts!  Love your stuff. I just try not to comment unless I have something constructive to say and as most people who know me will testify to, that isn't very often. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan - I am always haunting these parts!  Love your stuff. I just try not to comment unless I have something constructive to say and as most people who know me will testify to, that isn&#8217;t very often. <img src='http://voxfortis.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-71</guid>
		<description>Hiya Michael!

Nice to see you haunting these parts again. :)

Sometimes I wonder if it's just because SEO is a relatively new mainstream marketing tactic...there isn't the level of education there should be. I also think it's a product of having firms that focus only in that and don't complete marketing plans or big picture strategies. Total tunnel vision.

Your analogy about the storefront is great. (Probably better than my enchilada one, but I was hungry when I wrote it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hiya Michael!</p>
<p>Nice to see you haunting these parts again. <img src='http://voxfortis.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder if it&#8217;s just because SEO is a relatively new mainstream marketing tactic&#8230;there isn&#8217;t the level of education there should be. I also think it&#8217;s a product of having firms that focus only in that and don&#8217;t complete marketing plans or big picture strategies. Total tunnel vision.</p>
<p>Your analogy about the storefront is great. (Probably better than my enchilada one, but I was hungry when I wrote it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-70</guid>
		<description>Beautiful, simply beautiful.  This discussion goes round and round with people I work for. They insist that they must have that number one spot! But then what? What is behind it? Just like those shops that get you in the door with a beautiful storefront and nice window displays, but then either have no stock or have rude employees. You have to have the substance first to back up anything. And there are a lot of successful companies out there that are not #1 in Google. 

Preach on! Preach on . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful, simply beautiful.  This discussion goes round and round with people I work for. They insist that they must have that number one spot! But then what? What is behind it? Just like those shops that get you in the door with a beautiful storefront and nice window displays, but then either have no stock or have rude employees. You have to have the substance first to back up anything. And there are a lot of successful companies out there that are not #1 in Google. </p>
<p>Preach on! Preach on . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-69</guid>
		<description>Hey Judd, thanks for visiting. :)

I think eventually people with our mentality will become more prevalent. And hey, if it doesn't work at your current employer, do what I did and go off to do it on your own! 

Sometimes it's just difficult to be a big picture marketing person working with a group that just cares about/wants to sell their wee chunk.

Please do come back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Judd, thanks for visiting. <img src='http://voxfortis.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think eventually people with our mentality will become more prevalent. And hey, if it doesn&#8217;t work at your current employer, do what I did and go off to do it on your own! </p>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s just difficult to be a big picture marketing person working with a group that just cares about/wants to sell their wee chunk.</p>
<p>Please do come back!</p>
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		<title>By: Judd</title>
		<link>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://voxfortis.com/blog/2008/seo-isnt-your-salsa-and-everyone-needs-salsa/#comment-68</guid>
		<description>Holy Cats and Yammers!
You sound ridiculously like something I've been preaching for so long I had to start my own company about it.

It's only too bad that most folks (particularly the ones that are paying me right now) don't fully prescribe to this just yet.

Hopefully they will though, I'll keep workin' on 'em.

And just so's you know, sites like this help heaps.  So, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Cats and Yammers!<br />
You sound ridiculously like something I&#8217;ve been preaching for so long I had to start my own company about it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s only too bad that most folks (particularly the ones that are paying me right now) don&#8217;t fully prescribe to this just yet.</p>
<p>Hopefully they will though, I&#8217;ll keep workin&#8217; on &#8216;em.</p>
<p>And just so&#8217;s you know, sites like this help heaps.  So, thanks.</p>
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